Mets Win - Bay Still Lost

Great to see Niese step up and deliver a game winning performance allowing 1R in 7IP. The kid has been a forgotten arm the last few weeks and he deserved this W.

Of course the O did as little as possible to help him out as they refrused to maximize the number of runners on base.

Jason Bay had anither game w/o an inpact hit and ya’ gotta wonder if he’ll ever make an impact again.

The thing about Bay is he’s now desling with concussions. He’s had 2 ( by my count ) as a Met and I think that’s as good of an explaination as any for Bay’s ineffectiveness. 

The art of hitting in the Major Leagues is such an art that just the slightest shortcoming by a batter can mean being over matched in the box. 

Bay’s had 2 head injuries.

He’s now no longer able to hit. 

It ain’t hard to draw the conclusion that Concussions may well have effected Bay and rendered him incapable of hitting.

I’m just sayin…

13 Responses to “Mets Win - Bay Still Lost”

  1. Howard Says:

    BMF, I do not remember Bay hitting before the concussions.

    On a brighter note, can we please win this afternoon, sweep the horrendous Padres to go 1 over .500 heading home and do some damage in August such that we can be around 3 out of the wild card race by the end of August and only be chasing 1 or 2 teams.

    Please just give the Mets season a pulse by winning today and taking at least 2 of 3 from the Padres if not sweeping. I am more positive after a win but the truth is that if this team could somehow go on a 10 for 12 or 12 for 15, something like that, we will put ourselves in the wild card race. I know it does not look good, but winning today and sweeping the Padres would make things a little more interesting.

  2. Buck Says:

    Agreed Howard. Other teams have hovered around .500 only to make a late season surge to either take the Wild Card or come very close…..why can’t we? Especially with the 2 Wild Card format.

    Bay is not even a Puddle!

  3. BlondiesJake Says:

    It would be great to win today and take at least two from the Padres. Who knows, miracles can happen.

    (Editor’s Note: I am NOT defending Bay) In the 9th with the bases loaded, he hit a bullet right into Penny’s glove who then threw to first for the double play. If only he squared the ball up like that at least once a game he would be worth something.

  4. JoMama Says:

    Bay has never produced anything in a Met uniform - concussions, mental, bad swings - you name it, the excuses have piled up. Everyone knows when TC says, “He’s having good at-bats.” is just wordplay for, “He makes too much money and management has told me he has to play.” It’s evident. The guy is more lost than Kirk, Duda, and most guys on our farm team. I realize that it’s futile to bitch and moan about this clown but every time I see him in the lineup, it’s almost a guaranteed out. And if a measly fan like me feels this way, I’m sure it’s exacerbated if you’re actually ON the team. Imagine what 99% of the team must think when he steps to the plate in a clutch situation - no one has any faith anymore. Nice guy or not, he just plain sucks. The end.

  5. Howard Says:

    Does anyoone know if we have any power hitting outfielders in the minors that may not be phenoms but are expected to be very productive in the majors?

    Jo Mama, I agree with you totally that management told TC Bay is playing no matter what. But at the same time, TC knows there is no outfielder relief coming in and just has to pray that somehow Bay can get his act together.

    Just out of curiosity, why does everyone think Bay has been so unproductive as a Met?

    a. Just got old very quickly
    b. Was on a PED
    c. Cant handle playing in NY
    d. His prior knee injuries have affected his play
    e. Other

  6. JoMama Says:

    Is there a stat that shows how unproductive Bay has been? Or how his AB’s have affected the W/L column? I’m curious as to how many games we’ve lost because of his bat.

    The reason I think he’s been so bad is twofold: is head and his injuries. The pressure of playing in NY is silly when you consider how baseball crazy Boston has become (75% being fair weather fans, since their last WS). So the only thing that is wrong with him is a)being Canadian (jk) and b) he can’t get his head to work with his talent.

  7. USMF Says:

    Bay was producing before the 1st concussion, he just wasn’t hitting HR’s. He was on pace for 90-100RBIs with a decent BA. There are many reasons for Bay’s problems.

    1. City Field was a monster field and he changed his approach to try to hit more HR’s there. (Same thing happened to Wright)

    2. The Mets had that extra hitting thing where they had to hit 60 balls the other way. That screwed up his swing and approach. (Same thing happened to Wright)

    3. Because Bay was struggling, he was tinkering with his swing everyday. (Same happened to Wright)

    4. Then Bay kept getting injured and rushed back into the lineup before he was ready.

    5. Because of the lack of success and injuries, Bay has lost all confidence in himself. You can’t hit that way.

    He runs to well to blame it on his knees, PED’s would have hurt him long before NY and if you can play in Boston replacing ManRam, then you can handle NY.

  8. Irish Mike Says:

    “Is there a stat that shows how unproductive Bay has been? Or how his AB’s have affected the W/L column? I’m curious as to how many games we’ve lost because of his bat. ”

    His offensive WAR (Wins Above Replacement Player) is the lowest on the team at -0.6. I know everyone wants to think that his bat has cost the Mets 10 games or something but when you lay out the myriad contributors to wins and losses (9 hitters, 9 defenders, pitchers etc. all compared to an “average” player) no one player on one side of the ball ever seems to hurt or help that much. That’s why I don’t really like the stat - it almost makes it seem like it barely matters who is playing. How can Jason Bay and his .155 average be almost break even with an average player who would presumably would have a BA/OBP/SLG/OPS all 100 points higher?

    FYI the top three OWARs on the team are Wright at 4.6, Murphy (?!) at 2.1 and Hairston at 1.8.

  9. USMF Says:

    Bay hasn’t effected the team much because he really hasn’t played much this year. Also, his RBI total is low, but he’s got good HR numbers for the amount of ABs he’s had.

    WAR is really only good at the end of a season and even for looking at more than one season to get a feel for a player.

  10. BlondiesJake Says:

    Bay has had an effect today with his two-rbi single in the 1st. WOOHOO!

  11. Howard Says:

    I know… Break out game for Bay.

    Looks like a win today… Give me 3 wins in SD and we have a little excitement back.. Would not mind the Braves losing a few too! and Pirates, Cards, Diamondbacks, Dodgers

  12. JoMama Says:

    Ya, Bay having a career day today. He’ll go 0-20 again, don’t fret boys. Great feeling to FINALLY take a series.

    I wanted to ask, what’s the rotation these days? As far as I can tell it’s: Dickey, Hef, Harvey, Niese, Young. Is that right? When does Johan come back?

  13. BlondiesJake Says:

    I wouldn’t expect Johan back before mid-month at the earliest, I believe he just started throwing.

    It was nice to win a series. And the sked ahead provides a glimmer of hope, with 19 of 28 games against lousy teams. Here’s how it breaks down:

    3 @ Padres
    3 vs Marlins
    3 vs Braves
    3 @ Reds
    3 @ Nats
    4 vs Rockies
    3 vs Astros
    3 @ Phils
    3 @ Marlins

    If this team could beat up on the lousy teams to the tune of 14-5 and then go 5-4 against the good teams, that would put them at 71-63 and in position to play games that matter in September. I don’t think it will happen, but I’ll be rooting for it.

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