Looking for a Silver Lining

Hmmmmm, the team is in free-fall, Johan’s on the shelf, RA’s struggling, there’s no 5th starter, Duda’s bat has been painfully quiet, Parnell isn’t ready to close yet… and so on…

But there’s gotta be a silver lining right?

Like, at least we’re not getting blown out in games. We’re losing but losing close

Or, we’ve already gotten an incredibly exciting half a baseball season which is WAY more than we expected.

We got our no-hitter and if you asked me if I’d trade this season of low expectations for the elusive no-no I’d have taken it

We’ve proved we’ve got young talent and the future is certainly looking up.

And best of all the Wilpons will be forced to sell at season’s end … oops that was merely a fantasy in my head.

18 Responses to “Looking for a Silver Lining”

  1. Patrick Says:

    I read that last sentence and my eyes widened. You got me! I thought it was real for a moment.

  2. AttemptingToArgueWithFacts Says:


    Were any of those contracts listed by AverageIdiotFan correct? I notice you love to make grand statements and then fail to back them up with facts or respond when the facts are laid out for you.


    Who owned the Mets in 2000? I recall the team went to the World Series that year.
    Who owned the Mets in 2006? I recall the team went to Game 7 of the NLCS that year. And then went to the last day of the regular season in 2007 and 2008 before missing the postseason after spending big $ on pitchers including Carlos Beltran’s monster deal, Pedro Martinez’ big deal, Johan Santana’s monster extension and Tom Glavine’s FA deal, among others.

    Prior to the Madoff debacle, have the Mets not spent tons of $ under the Wilpons? It hasn’t necessarily been spent well, but they have spent. Yes, they are a PR disaster but that doesn’t change the fact they have attempted to win, they just seem to screw it up.

    Be careful what you wish for. Dodger fans hated how FOX ran that team and they ended up with Frank “Mayor McCheap” McCourt, who refused to spend $ on anything but more houses for himself and his wife before spending more $ on a long and nasty divorce.

  3. AttemptingToArgueWithFacts Says:

    PS I mistakenly wrote “pitchers” before and not after listing Carlos Beltran.

  4. Howard Says:

    I finally figured it out. Jeff Wilpon was given an assigment to market the team better for exposure purposes and came up with this brilliant marketing strategy to get the Mets team high up in the phone books listing and yellow pages listing by having them as the AAA Mets.

    Btw, Jason Bay is very close to taking off. His DPP (double play percentage) is down and the power is coming back. He is supposedly reaching the warning track during batting practice.

    From what I heard, Lucas Duda won a track and field contest over the weekend as the slowest human being on earth.

    I guess if you want a preview of what the bullpen will look like in 2013, find out which team other than the Mets has the worst bullpen in baseball, and picture their 7th and 8th inning guys on our roster.

    Everyone, you must get off the train. It is going to the yard.

  5. Howard Says:

    ATATF, just to respond to your question, I saw his list of bad contracts. Those were bad too but if you factor in the length of Bays contract, ,the dollar amount for Bays contract, and the productivity during Bays contract, I do not feel that any of those contracts compare. The one that would come the closest is Pavano but Pavano was injured the entire time. The few times he did pitch, he pitched fairly well.

  6. AverageIdiotFan Says:


    You must be joking. Bay’s deal is for four years. Zito’s $100M+ deal is still going. Bonilla will be paid $1M per year for the next 20+ years. Mo Vaughn couldn’t even play for goodness sakes.

    You are right, Bay’s deal is terrible. But it’s nowhere near the worst. Here’s a helpful hint: If you’re called out on something either admit you were wrong and move one or use hard facts to prove you are right. Don’t try and fool people with unsupported generalizations.

  7. AttemptingToArgueWithFacts Says:


    Pavano’s deal with the yankees was four years, $38M, so sorta comparable. However, he didn’t pitch fairly well when healthy. He was 9-8 with an era of 5.00 and gave up 181 hits including 23 home runs in 145 innings.

  8. Howard Says:

    So let me get this straight.. You believe $16M a year is similar to $9.5 per year? And a 9-8 record is comparable to Bay’s horrendous productivity? Next!

  9. BlondiesJake Says:

    I love these debates. Looks like Howard has a point about Pavano’s deal, but his comment about Pavano pitching fairly well was clearly debunked.

    As to Zito, let’s try $126M for 7 years that has produced a 51-67 record with a 4.32 era in the NL. I’d say that’s way worse than Bay’s factoring in $, length and production.

    And Bonilla getting paid while not producing for the Mets and still getting paid a million a year forever is, as Charles Barkley would say, turrible, turrible, turrible.

  10. Metsfan88 Says:

    I can’t stand & trust Alderson & Wilpons. They R not going to do anything at all! The academy award winning bullpen get U heart attack every time! & this lineup, no 1 can come thru in late innings! No Wright( the hit that he got off PapelBum was really lucky hit), all the other home growns R just average at best! I’ve said weeks earlier that duda is just 2nd coming of butch huskey, I was right! There is only so much Collins can do with THIS talents! Problems R the management !

  11. Howard Says:

    If I remember correctly, Bonilla’s payments were deferred starting way after the signing of his contract. 1M dollars received 20 years into the future assuming 8% interest is only worth approximately $215,000.

    Also although Zito has a ridiculous contract, at least he has had some good games. Bay has never produced anything.

    Does anyone know the contract numbers of the Bonilla and Mo Vaughn contracts?

    Actually, the worst contract ever might have been the Igawa contract if you include the money the Yankees had to give to the country. And Bay is second on my list.

  12. BlondiesJake Says:


    You can find yearly salary info at baseball-reference.com. Also, if you google I’m sure you can find the deals for John Lackey with Boston and Alex Rios and Vernon Wells with the BlueJays, which were longer and probably just as costly if not worse than Bay’s and they both completely tanked.

  13. Howard Says:

    I wonder if any of these bad contract players face any reprecussions in the clubhouse, etc from teamates. How a guy like Bay can grab that paycheck without at least a small sense of embarassment I cannot fathom. Talk about stealing money.

  14. JoMama Says:

    I think the Mets sweep the Nats and my prediction for Harvey, later this week: 7IP, 3R, 8H, 2BB, 4K. I dunno, feeling overly, overly optimistic today. (that will probably change come 4:20PST)

  15. Howard Says:

    JoMama, have you been hanging out this afternoon at the bar?

  16. JoMama Says:

    Not yet Howard ;) The plan isn’t to open a beer until the Mets go down a run.

  17. JoMama Says:

    That was short. Mets suck.

  18. Patrick Says:

    AttemptingToArgueWithFacts, I’m late to the discussion but the last time the Mets won a world series was 1986. Since then I’ve spent many more years being embarrassed by them than by being proud. I constantly watch the owners make mistakes that I can see clearly from my apartment. I’m sure there is more to the story that I’m not seeing but they are more consistent with me disliking them than I am liking them.

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