2012 Lineup?

Despite another tough loss, and another wasted comeback BMF is encouraged by what our future holds.

Suppose we don’t spend a cent outside our organization on offense and our line-up is this:

Reyes SS
Pagan CF
Wright 3B
Ike  1B
Bay LF
Duda RF
Tejada/Turner 2B
Thole C

I can live with this.

If we have Reyes I’m happy.
Pagan is finally back up to speed. 
Wright’s dangerous bat has returned.
Ike should* resume his path to prominence
Bay just might take another step out of the darkness
Duda looks like the real deal
Turner/Tejada sure why not
Thole - I believe he will eventually get up to speed with bat and defense

*asterisk due Met medical Dept 

All I’m sayin’ is the above players are at least guys I can root for.

24 Responses to “2012 Lineup?”

  1. Paul Says:

    I’m not convinced that lineup is good enough to contend, considering what the pitching staff will look like.

    Ike & Duda have yet to play a full season in the big leagues, Bay has been awful the entire time he’s been a Met and Pagan has been wildly inconsistent. Thole is arguably the worst regular catcher in major league baseball.

    And none of that addresses the biggest issue - why would Jose Reyes _want_ to re-sign with the Mets? If he wants to be part of a winner during the prime of his career, he almost _has_ to move on.

    I want to see the Mets do well, but I think we’re going to have to wait until 2013 or 2014 for it to start happening.

  2. Lord Charles Says:

    Plus, it’s a pretty weak FA class assuming Pujols is not an option (99.9%) and the Yankees exercise Cano’s option (99.9%):

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html

    Based on this list, I’d be happy if the Mets did nothing more than resign Reyes and add a couple quality BP arms., then bank the rest of the money for next year and the draft,

    Maybe go after CJ Wilson and take a flyer on Adam Wainwright…

  3. Lord Charles Says:

    I will say this, I know it is an obscene pipe dream, but Cano would be the one guy who would certainly be an interesting add…

    Reyes
    Pagan
    Cano
    Wright
    Ike
    Bay
    Duda
    Catcher

    But like I said, at $14M, I can’t see anyway the Yankess don’t exercise his option.

  4. BrooklynBill Says:

    I’ve been rooting for Thole, want to see him do well but, he needs to seriously improve on his D. The past balls are a real issue. At times I like the way he handles the bat…he’s never gonna be Mike Piazza or anything but he has a clue at the plate. But his D is so bad it almost renders him a poor man’s backup catcher at this point, not a starter.

    Don’t like Bay at 5th or anywhere in the lineup! what can we do with this bust?

    Any news on Santana?

    I’m back!

  5. the dude formerly known as bill l. Says:

    What about Murphy? I’m hoping that he’s our 2B for all of 2012.

  6. Big D Says:

    How about the stupid raised wall costing Bay a go ahead HR. I know that they still would have lost if that was the only other run they scored but maybe things play out differently if that clears the fence. Wilpons gotta stop trying to have a quirky park just for the sake of it and fix the wall so that it doesn’t potentially cost your team games.

  7. the dude formerly known as bill l. Says:

    Big D: I don’t necessarily disagree, but it will cost them as many games as it gains them, won’t it? Plus, some quirky walls like the “Green Monster” are good things, aren’t they? If I were working on the park, I’d rather get rid of the crazy “Mo Zone” out in RF. The thought of Duda patrolling that every day gives me nightmares.

  8. BrooklynBill Says:

    Absolutely. The Mo Zone is such a stupid gimmick. I hope they come to their senses and get rid of it.

  9. IrishMike Says:

    I definitely run hot and cold on Murphy as an overall contributor but even I wouldn’t kick him off the team like BMF did.

    Like LC said there is little to be had in the free agent market so we’ll have to hope for health and continued improvement from this ragtag bunch next year.

    If we’re looking for the Mets to waste a pile of money I’d bet the Twins are ready to jettison their hometown golden boy Joe Maurer who is absolutely stealing money right now.

  10. Lord Charles Says:

    ^Yeah, between Mauer, Crawford and Werth, you have to figure GM’s are going to be a bit more cautious about handing out 7-8 year contracts this off-season. Not saying that those players can’t rebound, but GMs tend to be a bit (over)reactionary.

  11. IrishMike Says:

    ^ Agree and I hope they are over-reactionary - it makes it easier to re-sign Reyes and may make landing a decent free agent or two next year more feasible. Hopefully for everyone’s sake (well except the players but they’re doing just fine) some air will come out of the free agent price bubble after all these terrible deals.

    Of course it only takes one rogue owner…

  12. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    Whose pitching?

    Well I’m glad we are starting to talk about 2012 because there is certainly not alot to talk about for the next six weeks.

    I don’t think that is a lineup that will make us a contender, but we should’t end up in the basement either.

  13. joeybrooklyn1976 Says:

    I’ve been to four games this year. Twice I’ve see Lucas Duda hit a homerun late to tie the game, to only see the bullpen give it up in the next inning. I’ve actually seen the bullpen give up three games out of the four! TC needs to move him to right field now. I know his job is to try and win as many games as possible and Duda makes the overall defense “better”, but the kid needs to get some run in the outfield. If Ike ever returns, he has to play first base.

  14. Big D Says:

    TDFKABL, I know that lowering the wall is a 2 sided coin and other teams will benefit from it as well, it just seems like its always hurting the Mets. I feel like it would also have a mental boost to the team knowing that their home park isnt such an up and down cavern. Plus we’ll never get to see anyone “pull an Endy” with a wall like that. I 100% agree on canning the Mo Zone too.

    I wouldn’t compare that wall to the green monstah. As much as I hate the sox, they play in an iconic park that has been around forever. Things like the mo zone and the ridiculous hill/flag pole in Houston are just trying to be different for the sake of being different. They don’t look good and come off as an attempt to grab attention by the owners.

    That’s just my opinion though.

  15. BlondiesJake Says:

    -I Like the lineup with Murphy inserted and Bay batting after Duda, not before.
    -Despite the solid second half hitting, Pagan is still a medicore, brain-dead ballplayer.
    -Since the Mets aren’t a lineup full of bashers, even with Ike back, I don’t see how moving in the fences helps them more than the other team.
    -The Mo Zone isn’t going anywhere until the sponsorship deal expires.
    -I agree Duda should be in RF getting ready for next year.
    -I’m still worried SF will try and overpay to take Reyes west.
    -Was it worse for Thole to have bunted on his own yesterday after Bay’s double that followed Duda’s game-tying HR with nobody out or for TC to have called for a bunt?

    LET’S GO METS!
    IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A HEALTHY LINEUP NEXT SEASON!
    THIS TEAM IS AT LEAST TWO QUALITY STARTERS AND THREE BULLPEN ARMS FROM SERIOUS CONTENTION!

  16. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    I feel like a broken record, but what we need is pitching, and a better catcher. We can make due with most of these guys, IF, and this is a BIG IF, they can improve their fundies in the off season. I am extremely disappointed with the poor play of late, not just the errors and passed balls and baserunning mistakes, but also the constant mental mistakes, laziness, fumbling, not blocking the ball from rolling into the outfield, throwing to the wrong base, missing the cutoff man, etc, that doesn’t necessarily show up in the box score. IMO all those mistakes are killing us as much as the pitching. I know some of these guys are young or playing out of position, but I’m sorry, Pagan (for example) is no spring chicken and has no excuses left at this point.

    We can’t have medicore pitching AND mediocre defense AND mediocre hitting in a gigantic ballpark. If the pitching is weak, the D has to be strong, esp up the middle. If the D is weak, the pitching and hitting better be good. Same is true if the hitting is weak—they better be able to pitch. This is not rocket science, everyone knows this. Right now we don’t have any kind of balance. We need 2 out of 3, minimum.

    I agree with Big D about the outfield wall, which in addition needs to be painted Mets blue already! I don’t think we need to take all the character out of it, but it is preventing us from hitting balls out plenty. So while it may also hurt opposing teams, no one plays as many games as we do at CitiField (duh). Sorry, I’m master of the obvious today.

  17. BlondiesJake Says:

    FGMF, I’m sure we all agree the team needs pitching, but there really aren’t any stud pitchers available as free agents or in trades, at least none that I’ve read or heard about. Because of that, this team needs to maximize the offense because the defense is going to be a little suspect on the right side.

    As to the outfield wall, no duh that no individual visiting team plays as many games at the home park, but collectively, the opposition likely will benefit more because most other teams are home run hitting teams to begin with, especially compared to the Mets. When playing the Phillies or Braves, who have a bunch of thumpers in their lineups, who will benefit more? How about the Reds? Cardinals? Brewers? Rockies? Sure, against the Pirates or Padres it might benefit the Mets, but otherwise, I don’t think so.

  18. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    Hahaha, well I never said it would be easy! If we will have to rely mainly on offense, I’m not convinced this lineup is good enough to balance out our pitching deficits. We’d have to really be able to mash all season **very consistently** to make up for what is barely a workable rotation (without Santana in true ace form, if he’s back at all). I certainly hope the front office can dig some rotation and pen pitching gems (or even cubic zirconia) out of the pile of doodoo we will be perusing over the winter. It may be awhile before we can really build the kind of rotation we need…sigh…

    Re: the outfield, again, I don’t think we need to make it a bandbox, but I think it’s just too quirky and deep. I would like to see them bring in the left field wall or just make it regular height. The rest can stay the same. Though I guess if we are going forward with our present pitching staff it would make more sense to move the whole damn thing out by 20 feet with a three-story net at the stop. Jose would get 200 triples!

  19. BrooklynBill Says:

    I think (I hope) that the new FO has a 3-5 yr plan, not a plan for 2012. Too many holes…. plus, until we can pitch with the Braves and the Filthies, we ain’t going anywhere. So, hopefully they are methodically going about a long term plan. I’m not quite sure why Izzy is still on the team…I love the guy but given how hard it is to find reliable bullpen help, he was a valuable chip to trade to some contending team.

    Regarding CitiField, maybe we fans can chalk up our pain to bad karma. Maybe that’s what the Mets get for demanding the city help fund their new stadium whose naming rights they promptly sold to the highest bidder. William A. Shea has the last say!

  20. BlondiesJake Says:

    BrooklynBill, I said they should’ve traded Izzy, Capuano and anybody else older that could’ve fetched a prospect as well. Thanks to the last couple of weeks, I think that window has closed because their value is non-existent. The front office did a nice job with Beltran and K-Rod but I don’t understand keeping the other dead weight, because thinking they would help put/keep butts in seats was ridiculous.

  21. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    I also was hoping that they would unload more people at the trade deadline!

    I actually believe the series sweep of the Reds right before the trade deadline hurt us in this manner.

    IMO I think the front office and alot of BMFers fell into it and started to believe we had a chance at the WC….Like above I also think they were concerned with attendance!

  22. JoMama Says:

    BB - the NL East will be brutal coming up - forget about the Phils and Braves, we have a very good Nats team and an up and coming Marlins club nipping at our heels. While this has been said over and over, the Mets need arms not bats. The lineup is pretty weak and not getting any better but with the current state of our pitching, we’re looking at .500 teams from here until my daughter is in middle school.

  23. ProfessorReyes Says:

    Gee v. Lee ;)

  24. wsbound phils Says:

    I believe you’re also facing the Phils 2012 lineup too if you think about it

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