Reyes Injury Good News?

I have to wonder is Reyes’ second hamstring issue in the last couple of weeks isn’t a little bit of a good break for the Mets.

It just might help to keep his price from ballooning into the stratosphere when he hits the open market this winter. 

The way I see it one injury and DL stint is completely forgivable, an isolated incident that happens to most athletes along the way of 162 game sked. But TWO hammy injuries inside of a month is a whole different animal, now it’s a  pattern.

Things could easily get out of control during the hot stove but at lease Reyes now has some red flags attached to him.

And I believe Jose is worth more to the Mets than anyone else. 

Poor Murphy. Torn MCL and out for the season is brutal. After his 2011 season 2 things are clear: 

• the kid can hit for average 

• He’s still a bat without a position on the field

36 Responses to “Reyes Injury Good News?”

  1. Paul Says:

    If Reyes’ hamstring issues are a red flag for other teams, they should also be a red flag for the Mets.

  2. Howard Says:

    Barring a miracle, I’m out.

  3. IrishMike Says:

    Had the exact same thought as BMF on Reyes. Unfortunately for him, but fortunately for the Mets, his market value is falling. Although it only takes one idiot owner…

    Amongst the several unfortunate angles on Murphy’s injury is that he will not have the plate appearances to be recognized in the batting race. His other flaws aside he was sure to finish top 10 in batting average and had a chance to finish top five. That is a nice accomplishment to have on your resume and now it’s gone. Because of what I still contend was as dirty a play as I’ve seen in baseball in recent years.

  4. KMac Says:

    The team needs a good Bill Murray Stripes pep talk right about now to get them through the rest of the season.

  5. Lord Charles Says:

    IM,

    I often agree with you, but in this case, I couldn’t disagree more with the contention that Constanza’s play was dirty. He slid hard into the bag, the force of which caused his foot to pop up and into Murphy’s leg, but there is no question that his intent was to go straight into the bag. He just executed it very poorly, and nearly broke his own ankle in the process. Collins and Wright were both adamant after the game that it was a clean slide.

  6. IrishMike Says:

    LC - reasonable people can disagree. I’m not saying he went in there trying to hurt Murph but in his zeal as a career minor leaguer trying to get noticed he went in way too late and way too hard (2B’s know to protect themselves in a DP situation but on an SB the guy is expected to stay on the base not take you out) and created a dangerous situation. Which he capped by attacking Murphy’s knee with his leg resulting in a serious injury. Even after his leg popped off the bag he did not have to finish the play the way he did. A play can be dirtier than it’s intent.

  7. BlondiesJake Says:

    “Barring a miracle, I’m out.” I’ve never rooted against the Mets but this will be the first time I root against a miracle.

    IM, I respectfully disagree with you and agree with LC. The end result was brutal, but without intent, and I can’t see any intent on that play, I don’t see how you can call the play dirty. A bad slide, too zealous, etc, absolutely, but I don’t see dirty.

  8. IrishMike Says:

    If that type of slide is acceptable why doesn’t everyone do it a la Ty Cobb back in the day? Fielders would be afraid to stand near the bag and make the tag. I guess I’m alone on this but I’m standing my ground. Please confirm for me that you guys are okay with that type of slide becoming the norm.

  9. BlondiesJake Says:

    IM, I’m not comfortable with that slide becoming the norm but I don’t see how he or anybody else could reproduce it if they tried. And why would they try, since the risk of breaking their own ankle would be much greater than causing harm to the 2B. He slid late, jammed the bag and got spun around and hit Murphy. To me, intent determines whether it’s dirty. But that’s just my opinion, not saying it’s right.

  10. Lord Charles Says:

    No, definitely not okay with that slide becoming the norm, because, in my opinion, that was an incompetent play. But I do think that there is a significant difference between being incompetent, and being dirty. In someways, I actually think the former is worse because you have no idea how to defend against it.

  11. IrishMike Says:

    And that’s basically my point. Either never learning how to slide, sliding recklessly to impress your team, or some combination of both, is bound to create a dangerous situation. I find that reckless and maybe it is semantics but to me that translates to dirty.

    Anyway like I said reasonable people (and Jake) can disagree.

  12. BlondiesJake Says:

    I resemble that remark.

  13. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    You know you’re a Mets fan when two of your main players get hurt and two others already on the DL are going to remain there indefinitely (likely due to medical/training mistakes), and you are neither surprised nor upset. Par for the course in Metland.

  14. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    I don’t know about you, but I am “READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!”

  15. the dude formerly known as bill l. Says:

    Unfortunately, I think the likelihood is greater that Wilpon will be scared off from going the extra yard to re-sign Reyes than it is that all the other owners will be similarly disinclined. I don’t think Wilpon is getting a hometown discount. Reyes sort of got the short end of his last contract (when the team made a much smaller commitment to him than it did to DW) and that, along with his New Yorker comments, etc. could make Fred/Jeff have to dig deep this time around. I’m hoping they do, of course, but I just have no real confidence that they will.

    I side with those who see Constanza’s slide as incompetent rather than dirty. Either way, the result was pretty horrific. Maybe Wilpon is right, and the team is “snakebit.”

    Looking at yesterday’s scorecard, I don’t know that I’ve seen so many position changes in a game since the famous night in Cincinnati when Ray Knight and Eric Davis tussled, and half the team got tossed.

  16. cleonjones Says:

    I thought the slide was dirty. Its a shame because Murph was having a good year. Maybe if dumbass Pelf had called off Wright we would still have Ike Davis. My man Reyes is out again. We still have to re-sign Reyes. Lets go Mets!! We will take two out of three from the Padres.

  17. IrishMike Says:

    “I think the likelihood is greater that Wilpon will be scared off from going the extra yard to re-sign Reyes than it is that all the other owners will be similarly disinclined.”

    Well said.

    “We will take two out of three from the Padres.”

    What about Thursday’s game ? :)

  18. JoMama Says:

    There’s no way Reyes is getting more than 5 years/$90M now. Even that offer is a bit too high in my book - the guy is amazing when healthy but no guy in baseball is affected by his legs more than Reyes. Reyes at anything less than 95% is someone I’d rather not have on the field. His legs are everything. Although I realize he’s one of the better SS’s in baseball, I just don’t like giving him 5+ years or $100M+

  19. GroteFan Says:

    To me “dirty” implies there was “intent”.
    So because he is incompetent doesn’t make it dirty.
    Agree with IM, that reasonable people can disagree.
    In watching the replay I was trying to find a way to find it dirty, but cannot. Unfortunately stuff happens.
    Please remember, in today’s sports this year’s (decades’) snake bit team can be tomorrow’s champs….See Boston as exhibit A in both Football and Baseball…..The Hub is now Title Town USA….
    Really cannot get my head wrapped around this Reyes thing. Are the injuries good or bad for the NY Mets…I think kind of good….but bad in the sense that they are not going to commit even 5 years for #7. I actually agree with BMF that you can live with the one injury, but now two this summer……oy!

  20. ProfessorReyes Says:

    I think slow-mo replays make us read more into a play than was there. Following C into the bag in real time, it’s pretty clear it was more bad karma from that guy and he was gunning for the bag, not Murphy’s leg.
    An idiotic slide, but his foot was down. Sheer physics forced the slam into Murphy’s shin.
    It would be “nice” if it was indeed a dirty slide, and the rest of the baseball world could hate C along with us, since I think he single-handedly took that series from us….but unfortunately no. Damn that guy was everywhere, in everything.

    I feel so bad for Murph. Now I’m worried he’ll get fat, he seems to have that kind of body. I agree with IM’s point about Murphy’s season, he had a shot to get his head a little above the crowd. Damn.

  21. BlondiesJake Says:

    ProfessorReyes, did you really just write about Murphy, “Now I’m worried he’ll get fat, he seems to have that kind of body.” Did HBS invade your account or are you just drunk really early for a Monday?

  22. GroteFan Says:

    I thought he was talking about you.

  23. Met_Maven Says:

    I don’t think it was dirty. I think it was just a bad slide. Not a rookie mistake or someone sliding who doesn’t know how to slide, just a bad slide. It happens. Unfortunately for the Mets it had disastrous results. If it was Chipper who slid like that I don’t think anyone would be accusing him of being dirty. I just really feel bad for Murph, he can’t catch a break.

    As for Reyes, it could be a blessing for both sides. Mets sign him lower than they would if he didn’t have his injury and Reyes gets to stay in NY.

    Maybe the only good out of this is it will keep Met fans from thinking there is a shot at catching the Braves for the WC. While I would have loved for that to happen, it just wasn’t possible with this team. I do believe that the team will improve under the new regime next season and in the seasons to follow and hopefully next year will be the year we are officially back in the playoff hunt.

    LETS GO METS GO!

  24. Wilpy Says:

    Maury Wills used to say that he slid spikes high in a way that made it seem accidental, but it wasn’t.

  25. BlondiesJake Says:

    Did Wills also jam his feet into the bag and make it look like he was going to snap his ankle too?

  26. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    Once again meaningless baseball in Aug & Sept, unless you call “Battle for the Basement” baseball!…

    I guess if they do it enough times you get used to it!

    Cant get excited about the Padres or Dbacks either

    Ah!…The life of a Met Fan!

  27. the dude formerly known as bill l. Says:

    Met_Maven: “If it was Chipper who slid like that I don’t think anyone would be accusing him of being dirty.” With all due respect: Are you kidding?? If Chipper Jones had taken out Murphy, I think the fans would be hanging him in effigy. I think he would have needed security to leave the stadium. He’d have to wear a hard hat on the field. Haven’t you ever heard how Mets fans deal with “Larry”??? It would be an event like the one that brought the chant “Potvin Sucks” into existence for Rangers fans: a chant that has persisted since the late 70’s until the present. If Larry had done this is would be absolutely the final straw–it would give “Met Killer” a whole new meaning. :)

  28. Howard Says:

    I see that BlondiesJake wasn’t tied up all day in the unemployment office. Its funny, your comments today are very similar to the ones that my 4 year old nephew had about the Mets. You guys must have been chatting it up.

  29. BlondiesJake Says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, Howard the Comic will be here all week. Tip your waitress, try the veal.

  30. BlondiesJake Says:

    Btw, unless the Dow dropping 600+ points is a miracle, I’m confused as to why you’re here HBS. Aren’t you out?

  31. Howard Says:

    Oh great. Now we have Jake talking about the Dow. What is next, his expertise on why it is warmer during the summer? Or more great info from him as to why Parnell should be the closer? Or have you backed off on Parnell closing after finally understanding my analysis of why he should not close? I also told you why Murphy cannot play 2b and guess what, I was right on the bullseye regarding that one!

    Stop calling me out and I will stop making a fool of you.

  32. El Duderino Says:

    Good lord will you two old ladies STFU already? As if being a Met fan wasn’t depressing enough without being subjected to the Tit For Tat Show every day… :)

  33. JoMama Says:

    My prediction for Pelf:

    5IP, 5ER, 2BB, 2SO

    he’s a #5…at best.

  34. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    Lets get back on the Bay subject sine he homered again tonight

  35. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    WOW!!!

  36. JoMama Says:

    Bay still sucks. He SHOULD BE hitting HR’s - that’s what he gets paid for. Not for his soft singles down the line…

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