Looking Forward to Moving Beltran

Don’t get me wrong - I’m a big Carlos Beltran fan. In fact I own a Beltran jersey.

But the inevitable is approaching and since I know he’s going I’m excited at the idea of adding a quality young Alderson acquired prospect. As good as LosB has been he’s on the backside of his career.

Beltran is also a giant link to Minaya and BMF is all for cutting most ties to that era.

But a strapping young Philly, Frisco, or Texas prospect will be someone new to root for and I can’t wait for the kid(s) to get here.

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Niese should cross off one of those bullpen blown W’s off his karma list since he got a gift if a win after giving up 5 ER in 5 IP.

David Wright continues to rake ever since his recent DL induced maturation process. It’ll be interesting to see how he responds once Beltran is gone.

I really gotta tip my hat to Daniel Murphy. The kid can flat out hit. He’s proved this yet again in 2011 but the crazy part is he’ll almost certainly enter 2012 without a lock on a position.

52 Responses to “Looking Forward to Moving Beltran”

  1. BrooklynBill Says:

    Yup. You Murph haters out there, he is now batting .313 which is good for 5th in the NL. Only Kd 40 times in 355 ABs. Has 23 doubles, good for 6th in the NL. He went into a slump for about 3 games. Very pleased with the production we are getting out of Murph and he is serviceable where ever TC plays him.

    DW has been an RBI machine since coming back, even getting it done vs. RHs, great to see!

    Sorry BJ, still with Howard & JoMama on Bay. He still sux.

  2. BrooklynBill Says:

    hey finally! The oblique strain afflicts someone other than a NY Met!! Brian McCann to the DL…we make our move on the Braves now???

  3. Howard Says:

    Guys, we are in the freaking race. Stop with the BS of getting rid of Beltran. We are getting a reserve player for him if we make the trade. Nobody is giving away any top quality prospects for him. Why do most people want us to get rid of Beltran anyway? He is still relatively young and a very good player. Do you really want Duda in RF every day? Or some other reserve guy?

    We almost got to 6 out in the loss column last night. Hopefully tonight we do it. We get to 6 out or better by July 31st and then have a huge 3 game series at home with the Braves, a chance to really make some noise in the WC race.

    With Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Murph in there every day and with some solid pitching, we will make it a race.

    I can almost guarantee if we trade Beltran, you will be like ‘What, are you kidding’? with who we get back for him.

    Going for 6 back in the loss column tonight.

    Lets Go Mets!!!

  4. Howard Says:

    BTW, did anyone read the article how Pelfrey is upset about the Mets possibly trading Beltran, because it would show that Mets management believes the Mets are out of it?

    Well, Pelf, Big Pelf, whatever, how about pitching a big game for once in your freakin life tonight to keep us in the race???

    Lets Go Mets!

  5. IrishMike Says:

    Remember it’s not just about the Braves (although though I still don’t think they can be caught, even their current rough streak has them 7.5 games ahead of us, or “almost” six games in the loss column). There are three other teams to get by as well and 2-3 other teams that are a short hot streak or a short Mets cold streak away from being ahead of the Mets as well. The odds are just too stacked against the Mets making the postseason. I think they have to be sellers next week.

  6. Lord Charles Says:

    “the crazy part is he’ll almost certainly enter 2012 without a lock on a position.”

    Sort of, but in my mind, he is one of the few players who I would guarantee will be on the roster, and in the starting lineup. Those are:

    Wright (batting 3rd or 4th)
    Ike (batting 4th or 5th)
    Murphy (batting 2nd, 6th or 7th)
    Bay (batting 6th or 7th)
    Johan (#1 or #2)
    Niese (#3)
    Gee (#4)
    Dickey (#5)

    I think everyone else has at least a small “?” by their name.

  7. Howard Says:

    I am sure most people realize this but the .5 game of the ‘7.5′ games out does not really matter. We are only concerned with games out in the loss column because those are the games that are out of our control which can only be made up from the team ahead of us losing.

    Just a little info in case people do not realize that.

    So once again, lets get to 6 games out in the loss column tonight.

    Lets Go Mets!

  8. BlondiesJake Says:

    Howard, I finally figured you out. You’re the stereotypical fan who figures ranting makes him right, though it’s painfully obvious to fans who understand the game that you clearly don’t. (Apologies to all stereotypical fans who don’t understand the game and are offended by that remark)

    First, this team is NOT in the race, as IM astutely pointed out. They are too far behind with too many teams in front of them. They would need a ridiculous streak to leapfrog all of them but don’t have anywhere near the pitching staff to produce such a run, nor is the offense anywhere near the juggernaut necessary to overcome inconsistent starters.

    Second, it seems highly unlikely Alderson just moves Beltran for a reserve player. Since the Mets have stated they could pay some of his salary, they have no pressure to just dump him. But even if they did, that would be a player who could contribute at some point, whereas Beltran is NOT re-signing with the Mets, so it doesn’t make sense to keep him unless the team is in a race.

    Finally, even if the Mets get a player that doesn’t do anything for them, nobody except clueless fans like you will be screaming about it. It’s not like the team is on the verge of greatness and it is trading away the key cog. It’s making a calculated risk based on the fact reaching the postseason is highly improbable and Beltran has as much trade value as anybody on the market. This is why GMs get paid and you watcj games while nursing cups of water in the middle of Blondies on a regular basis.

  9. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    Oh good, we’re back to bickering about Beltran.

  10. IrishMike Says:

    It was funny hearing Gary point out last night how ironic it would be if the Mets trade Beltran and then make a run that gets them closer to the postseason. It would be ironic. But it is too unlikely which is why I think you play the real odds, not the other-wordly best case scenario odds, when making this decision.

  11. El Duderino Says:

    By all accounts, the Mets have not dropped their asking price for Beltran, and no one is biting yet. If we can get some “stud” — sure, I see the value in that. But do you really move him for a B or C-level prospect? OK, so yeah our chances of catching the WC are slim and getting skinnier by the moment. But crazier things have certainly happened, and I for one, would not feel good about trading Beltran for a bag of balls when there is even a glimmer of a chance that we could see the playoffs.

  12. GroteFan Says:

    Recognizing it’s risky, but I agree with everything that Blondies Jake says. Now we are done for July.
    The Mets are a nice little story, but having said that, after two-thirds of the season they are one game over .500. If, and this is a huge IF they were behind only the Braves, I might say that they are NOT out of it, but short of saying they are in it. 7.5 behind the Braves, but the key is that they are also behind the D-Backs, Brewers and Bucs. Not all of these teams are going away and oh by the way, is a team with Mike Pelfrey and Chris Capuano in the starting rotation going to put together a streak of 13 out of 15? The short answer is no.
    With or without Beltran, the team is not giving up. They are just trying to set things up for 2012 and beyond. With or without Beltran this team is .500. No more, no less.
    Let Beltran go. I for one will not rue the day is gone…not that I don’t like the guy, I do…but his time here is over.

  13. Howard Says:

    BlondiesJake, are you saying that you made an astute comment or that you are astute? By the way, ‘IM astutely pointed out’ makes no sense.

    There are a few teams ahead of the Mets but except for the Braves, everyone is in striking distance from one good winning streak. I am not that concerned about teams like the Diamondbacks, Brewers, etc. I am concerned about the Braves. And now that there catcher is out for at least 15 days, lets see what happens.

    Also, even if the Mets eat the entire remaining part of Beltrans contract, they are not getting a top prospect.

    If and when he does get traded, we will see what they get for him.

    There is a race. Check out the Rockies from a few years ago and the Twins every year. These teams have made huge comebacks. The Mets can easily be within 5 games by the end of July.

  14. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    Where is Joesky the Met Brawler when you need him?

  15. USMF Says:

    Recent history has severial examples of teams hovering around .500 and making a huge 2nd half run into the playoffs…so it can happen, but the recent history also is filled with mediocre teams leading the WC race, the teams making the push planing in weak divisions and the teams making the push having a really good rotation.

    The Mets play in toughest division (by far) in the NL, so the majority of their games are gonna hard to win.

    The Mets pitching staff is full of four very good but not great starters (and Pelf)…Gee and Neise are still young and could easily show wear soon, Cappy hasn’t pitched more than 200 innings in four years, he’ll probably slow down too.

    Seeing that we have at least a month before Santana returns, even if he’s the “old” Santana (not likely seeing that he’s 32 and coming off shoulder surgery) September is a little too late.

    Lets not forget how good the Braves have been this year…they will need a full collapse for them not to win the WC and the teams ahead of the Mets in the race play in much weaker divisions.

    I want to believe, but I have to be realistic…

  16. GroteFan Says:

    Howard you belong in the same camp with Jim Duquette who thought the mets were in it when he traded for Victor Zambrano.
    USMF is right, there are examples…
    But the 2011 Mets are not one of them.
    It’s over! Talk of Wildcard is just idiotic.
    The group of Beltran, Reyes and Beltran have proved they can’t win. So move Beltran and continue to transform this team.

  17. Howard Says:

    What does it really matter? Everyone has a right to decide whether they think the Mets are in it or out of it. I will decide for myself when I think the Mets are out of it if that comes and everyone else can decide for themselves too.

    I just think they can put everything together and have one really nice winning streak and get in contention. The Braves losing their starting catcher is really going to hurt.

  18. USMF Says:

    Not for nothing, for every example of teams making a 2nd half run, there are also five more examples of teams NOT making that run…

    But I’m tired of the “they’ve proven they can’t win with Beltran, Reyes, Wright and players XYZ…”

    It wasn’t any of these guys fault that they didn’t win in 06-08…it was the complete lack of pitching.

    Even in 06, two of our best starters missed the playoffs…we got stuck with seeing an unproven Maine, a wild Perez and Steve “E’ffing” Trachsel pitch in the NLCS. Maine did good, Perez got lucky with BlBBB (aka Endy) making the best catch ever and Trach laid a complete egg. Not to forget Mota throwing gas on the fire.

    07 saw a complete break down of every starter not named Pete and 08 saw our Jenga version of a bullpen completely fall apart once Wags was lost for the season.

    As much as I hate to say it, 09 and 10 had no shot because of the mass injuries, including injuries to Beltran, Reyes and Wright…kinda shows that having them healthy might be a big reason why this team has had the success they’ve had this past decade.

    That said, I see no reason to hold on to Beltran or to want him back next year…i like him, but it’s time to move on.

  19. BlondiesJake Says:

    Howard, I astutely used IM as an abbreviation for IrishMike.

    You’re right, you are allowed to have your own opinion. It doesn’t make it remotely right, but it’s yours.

    As to the Braves and McCann getting injured, that team is winning because of pitching, especially starters (Jurrjens, Hanson, etc). The Mets don’t have a single starter as good as those two. Sure, losing the starting catcher isn’t helpful, but it’s not going to be the difference. Even if the Mets have a big win streak, which is unlikely because of the starters, the Braves and other teams would have to fall apart, which is also unlikely because of the starters.

    I’ll bow out now so you can keep posting and have the last word, but you should really learn to argue with facts and baseball knowledge.

  20. IrishMike Says:

    But I’m tired of the “they’ve proven they can’t win with Beltran, Reyes, Wright and players XYZ…”

    Thank you. What a silly statement. First of all the Mets did “win” in 2006 - 97 games and then a playoff series. Or does only the World Series count? Does that mean the Yankees couldn’t “win” with Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Giambi et al from 2001 - 2008? But could before and after? The Mets “big three” produced spectacular numbers from 2006-2008 and were not the reason they didn’t win the World Series - actually they were the reason the Mets were as good as they were. Does anyone remember who was in the bullpen for the Mets in 2008? While the offense, led by Reyes, Wright and Beltran, was scoring the 2nd most runs in the NL?

  21. BlondiesJake Says:

    Another astute post from IM aka IrishMike.

  22. Howard Says:

    I didn’t say it was going to be easy to win the WC. But I am saying that it is realistic. Another week or two for now will tell a lot.

    I hope that some of you other Mets fans in this blog have also not given up hope for the season as of yet.

  23. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    Apparently our new GM and his staff do not think we are in the WC contention and I have to agree that we are NOT in contention for the playoffs this year.

    This is about turning this team around and building it for many years to come. It would be irresponsible to play for this year, praying for a very remote chance for a WC playoff spot.

    There are four teams ahead of us and they all have better pitching then we do.

    “with some solid pitching” This is the problem in a nut shell. We have no pitching. This is why we can not put together a serious win streak!

    I do not want to risk starting to rebuild not only the Mets, but a farm system which is bare for a “miracle run” to get a WC spot.

    LETS GO METS!

  24. BrooklynBill Says:

    The field of teams in the WC hunt is huge! I think its a trap for us to get caught up in WC dreams for 2011 and not make moves. We need a 3-5yr plan. I don’t think anyone on the team is untouchable, that goes for Beltran, Wright and Reyes.

  25. Howard for GM (of Phillies) Says:

    Word is coming down from multiple sources deal with Giants is going to happen and centerpiece will be either Brown (as per USA Today) or Wheeler (as per Busted Olney). Assuming they get at least one of those two, that’s the type of prospect they wanted and needed to get.

  26. BlondiesJake Says:

    The Post is saying Wheeler.

  27. GroteFan Says:

    1) I told blondies and then he credits the Post. What a jerk!
    That said, I may have been somewhat hyperbolic regarding the core 3.
    While I don’t disagree with IM (Irish Mike) and USMF, what I meant was sometimes when a team doesn’t win, for whatever reason, change is good for changes sake…within reason-I still want to retain JR and DW.
    Regarding 2006, I do have to remind many people, not in this astute forum of course of the pitchers who started in the LCS. Glavine, Trachsel, OP and Maine. In some ways remarkable they got to game 7. Petey got hurt in September, and if I’m not mistaken Duque got hurt walking from his car to shea (ok again slightly hyperbolic) and they were still able to sweep the dodgers and take the lcs to 7.
    Regarding 07 and 08, yes pitching was very spotty, thanks again Omar….but they still had historic collapses…..
    Welcome ZW

  28. Florida Met Fan Rich Says:

    We all know the mets and the farm system need pitching…he is rated as the giants number 2 prospect

  29. JoMama Says:

    Let me say that I’m cautiously optimistic about the WC but don’t have any dreams of truly making it. The bottom line (as so many of you pointed out) is pitching - we just don’t have it. It’s been repeated ad naseum but you can’t stress it enough - who, in a series is going to be our 1-2-3? You really feel confident that the guys we have now, plus a 50% Johan is really gonna win us a series. I know I’m putting the cart a bit ahead of the horse here but even in the very unlikely event that we do make the WC, we’ll just get smoked. Beltran or not.

    That leads me to mention how “close” they are supposedly to a Wheeler-for-Beltran trade. MY GOD - this is awesome news!! I honestly don’t think I could have named a type “A” prospect I’d rather have right now. This kid is ready and is a solid #2. I LOVE IT!

  30. USMF Says:

    I’m happy with the deal…we got decent hitter in the farm, but almost no pitching…

  31. BlondiesJake Says:

    Btw, GroteFan wanted to make sure he got credit for alerting me a deal was going down. When I asked who the Mets would get in return, he had no clue and I’m guessing he isn’t exactly sure who Beltran is either, but after he bitched at me via text and on the phone, I felt compelled to post this mea culpa.

  32. GroteFan Says:

    I’m sure I was in the middle of WORKING for a living. Something our west coast voice has limited knowledge of.

  33. the dude formerly known as bill l. Says:

    I know nothing about this Zach Wheeler, but to get another team’s best pitching prospect seems like a pretty good deal to me. Good luck to Los B, a classy guy and a great Met.

  34. QuestionForHoward Says:

    Howard, it looks like the Mets will not only get a good prospect, but in fact the top pitching prospect they coveted from a team outside the division. I know this hurts with the team ALMOST 6 games out in the loss column, but I’d say you were 100% wrong on who the Mets might get. Combined with your insistence that the Mets are REALISTICALLY in the WC race tells me you should start a website, www.StereotypicallyCluelessFanWhoThinksPostingTheSameThingAllTheTimeWillSomehowProveHimRight.com

  35. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    OMG can someone get a ruler so you guys can measure your privates and get done with it already?

    I think this is a great deal—we need pitching more than anything, and I’m REALLY happy for Carlos, he deserves to have a chance to go to the world series. Well done all around!

  36. ProfessorReyes Says:

    HAHAHAAA….
    Thank god for FGMF, I can skip over everybody else and just read hers and can still totally get the gist of it.

    YES. Happy for Carlos, he deserves a chance. He did everything that was asked of him, from moving to right, right down to plopping a pitcher with rated potential into a nice sunny spot on our farm. Best of luck Carlos.

  37. ProfessorReyes Says:

    Holy Cow the HP ump is REALLY squeezing Arroyo…if he does this to Pelfrey we may have one of “those” games.

  38. BlondiesJake Says:

    Why do people get so upset when others argue here? Isn’t that the point of blogs and comments, to exchange ideas and information? Why would anybody come here at all if we all said the same thing and agreed on everything every day?

  39. JoMama Says:

    I have no problem with arguing. My guess is that Pelf throws the Mets first no-no. Just a guess.

  40. BlondiesJake Says:

    Now that’s funny JoMama!

  41. Zach Wheeler Says:

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooo!

    Anyone except the m-m-m-mets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Nomore Manana Says:

    “Beltran is also a giant link to Minaya and BMF is all for cutting most ties to that era.”

    You’re a little late. Time to say that was 2007 - 2009, when you were defending him and that disgrace Gangsta Manuel. You and other Mets bloggers refused to make that tough call when it was a tough call. Nomore’s damage will take 5+ years to undo and if we started in 2008 there would be some light ahead.

    Now I’d say we have a 7 year runway if the wilpons stay and part of the problem is that the Mets nation, including its bloggers, bought the Nomore/Gangsta kook aid for too long.

    Saying you’re all for cutting ties to the Nomore era now is the definition of “empty.”

  43. BlondiesJake Says:

    Nomore Manana, agree the organization waited too long with Omar and JTJ (Jerry the Jenius) but don’t agree it will take 5+ years to undo because the team does have some building blocks. And I won’t blame it on the bloggers and fans, it’s not their responsibility to figure out who has a clue and who doesn’t, it’s the owners.

  44. Met_Maven Says:

    Beltran was one of the positives of the Omar era (error), again, one of the most under rated Mets. Alderson is a smart GM and the Wilpons have to be feeling the pinch of the non sellout crowds so they’ll want to produce a team that will put fans in the seats. I see them finishing this year around .500, improving next year and a good, solid, contending team by 2013… just in time for the Mets to host the All Star Game.

  45. CowCrusher Says:

    What to do with my Beltran jersey? I am sure you can find then next the K_Rod ones at deep discount if.you canfind them at all.

  46. BlondiesJake Says:

    It’s nights like tonight when you think Nuke LaLoosh could be a good pitcher. Why can’t he do this consistently? He should see a sports psychologist like John Smoltz used to do.

  47. schmifty Says:

    Pelf CG!!!

  48. BrooklynBill Says:

    Way to go mini Pelf! Sandy better trade him now…his value will never be higher!

    Well done Sandy Alderson, bravo. Very very pleased with this trade. We got their prized pitching prospect and that’s what we need - PITCHING. My congrats to the new front office for playing this right (IMO). A very ‘astute’ move :)

    Another huge night for Wright and Murph. Murph is a line drive machine. Wright is tagging RHs and LHs - what a shock!

    So are we done? who’s next??

    FGMF - for the record, a ruler is not gonna get it done ;)

  49. BrooklynBill Says:

    hey - on the whole Jerry Meals blown call thing…why cant the ump crew decide in advance that if the game goes say more than 12 innings or something, that they rotate someone else can take over behind the plate? I mean the guy blew the call for sure but it was a 19 inning game and he was behind the plate with all the equip on for like 7hrs. My judgement may be impaired a little too…

  50. Matt the Met Fan Says:

    STEAL!!

    with Harvey we have hope…. friend of mine in Georgia says Wheeler is an animal!

    back up the truck !! please !! Capuano Paulino etc!! .. more pitching !!

  51. Fort Greene Met Fan Says:

    I didn’t get to see the game tonight but the highlights and box score were very promising. Glad to see Pelfrey show the fans something, and how nice is it to have D-Wright back in the batter’s box? Murph is on a tear, and we need him to keep hitting.

    BrooklynBill, I hope you are ready to put your money where your…mouth…is. Will we get to see some evidence at the next Blondies shindig? ;)

  52. David Ross, Braves Catcher Says:

    Hey Howard, the team is 17-6 when I start and I’m hitting .315 with 4 HRs and 18 RBIs in those 23 games. Wanna guess who had the game-winning hit last night?

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